Deadline still looming for Marshall Lake dam

Marshall Lake; Photo, Marshall Lake stewardship group
Marshall Lake; Photo, Marshall Lake stewardship group

With rumours growing about a deadline for Marshall Lake’s ultimate demise activists, politicians and land owners continue to meet with key provincial staff to save the lake.

Greenwood resident Christopher Stevenson, one of the key people leading the charge to protect the small lake which lies between Grand Forks and Greenwood above Phoenix Ski Hill, is setting off an alarm floating Oct. 15 as the date they will decommission the dam at the lake.

Stevenson said that he has been told that the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resources is taking the first steps necessary to start decommissioning the dam that maintains the lake’s water levels by setting up contracts for roadwork.

“I’ve heard it from more than one source now, that it’s coming. I would rather tentatively say Oct. 15 with the possibility that it will be Oct. 20 than not say anything at all,” said Stevenson. “I want people to know there’s an urgency to this and that we’re running out of time.”

Stevenson said he can’t confirm the rumours because the Ministry, including the area’s MLA, are not communicating with him or any of the group working to keep the lake intact. Even after presenting petitions, done both online and print, to Minister Steve Thomson in the Okanagan recently, Stevenson said he still doesn’t have any answers or indication of what plans are in the works for the lake.

The province first raised the idea of decommissioning the Marshall Lake dam site in 2010 after a dam failed above Oliver, B.C. causing significant damage to homes and the community. The government then examined other dams around the province and in a media splash of leaked documents, the Marshall Lake dam was noted as a high risk. At that time, the province offered two options for the dam which are still on the table today: either a local government takes on responsibility for monitoring, and repairs for the dam, or the dam is decommissioned.

 Currently the lake area is a forest recreation site where locals and visitors can spend their day picnicking and fishing. In the winter, the area becomes host to many cross country skiers who enjoy the trails and visit the Dacha built by the local ski club. Part of the lake and property surrounding it are owned by the Gottselig family and the other part is owned by Kettle River Resources, a mining company.

On Tuesday Richard and Donna Gottselig presented the Ministry with three proposals on how the lake can be preserved into the future. In the same meeting, staff gave the Gottseligs eight different proposals for the area that include engineering reports, according to Diane Gottselig in comments on the Marshall Lake Stewardship group’s Facebook page.

“Currently we are unable to access our cabin by car and with difficulties by truck (due to a ditch already dug to drain the lake levels). My parents informed them we would like our access back to ensure safety and also to allow us proper use of the property for the rest of the hunting season, and also that they may not start any type of activity with trucks on our property during that time,” said Diane Gottselig. 

“No plans are for sure or set in stone as of now. One of the proposals on the list involves keeping the lake and maintaining it as is. The proposals have been all worked out and priced by engineers which was very costly. My parents need to send in a response and until then we do not have any more information.”

For Midway resident John Greaves the cost of decommissioning is higher than the upgrades needed at this time, and that, said Greaves, is a waste of taxpayers’ money.

“I’m told that (Greenwood) actually did train two of their staff so they are capable of doing dam inspections (which saves costs for the province),” said Greaves.

“The Ministry… turned that down. They say it will cost a ton of money to bring that dam up to standards, but there’s really been no study to back that up. It’s not a rickety old dam as it’s been reported in some papers. I just think it’s wrong. There’s no reason to get rid of it. It’s going to cost money to get rid of it.”

Greaves added that one of his biggest frustrations since this process started is the lack of dialogue with the people in the community, and that their concerns are not being addressed.

Using an opportunity to meet with provincial ministers during the Union of B.C. Municipalities conference underway this week, Greenwood city councillor Barry Noll raised the Marshall Lake issue in a meeting with Minister Thomson Thursday. The results of that meeting are not yet available.

In the meantime, Stevenson said that the campaign to save this small jewel of a lake in the Boundary has raised awareness and increased the use of the recreation site giving value to their continued opposition. Stay tuned for updates as Stevenson’s new mobile accommodations help him prepare for a Marshall Lake occupation if needed.

Comments

Costs and options for decommissioning the dam on Marshall Lake

To correct Mayor Kettle, the costs to decommission the dam have been estimated now by the MFLNRO to run from more than $107,000 to over $300,000.  That is without including the costs to compensate the private property owners on the lake for loss of value to their property ($50,000 plus) or to buy the Gottseligs out (close to $200,000). Theses options also do not include the costs to upgrade the infrastructure downstream of the lake, nor do they include the costs of providing access to the Gottseligs property.  None of the options presented include proper reclamation of the dam to a natural state.  When these costs are added, the overall costs will be much, much higher.    

 

I'm not sure where Mayor Kettle got the $56,000 figure, but it is not accurate.  I would be interested in knowing where his information comes from. .Ours comes from government documentation, which we are prevented from quoting specifically (convenient that information provided by our own province is not releaseable) - but we will work on making that information public.  Curiously, the province has STILL not done proper costing on upgrading.  Retaining the dam appears to be still an option, but while all the decommissioning options have been costed out, the option to upgrade and maintain has STILL not been costed out properly. 

Thank you for taking this up

Thank you for taking this up with the Minister, Mayor Kettle and Councillor Barry Noll.  I provided some of the information on training local personnel to do inspections, because as far as we were told when I was on council, this WAS an option the Ministry was willing to do.  They agreed to it.  Public Works Superintendent Randy Smith was ready, willing and able to train.   If that was not done, then that change was made after the agreement had been made - as far as council knew, it was in process and should have been done.  Guess we should have got it in writing, eh?

Thank you also for the costing information - could you please refer us to the documentation detailing those costs?  Were those numbers stated during the meeting with the Minister, by Thomson and his staff?   We've been asking for documented costing for months now, and have, to date, never seen anything that gives us that information.  

Interesting that the costs have changed so much.  When the Ministry approached us, both in 2010 and earlier this year, the costs to decommission stood at $70,000 and the costs to upgrade were stated as $135,000 - that was in the presentation that was given by Tara White of MFLNRO at City Hall, that we ALL attended, in the spring of 2012.  At that time, despite what was quoted in the presentation, White floated some other number of $400,000.   Now the costs to upgrade have risen to $500,000?  An over 370% increase?  Interesting that when they were trying to give it to Greenwood, the cost was $135K, but when they're trying to justify getting rid of it, the cost balloons by almost 400%.  

If the Army Corps of Engineers is available to help out to bring down costs to decommission, why can't they be utilized to bring down the costs to upgrade?  We proposed using local materials and resources to bring down these costs (again, Randy Smith was instrumental in this), but that offer was never given any serious consideration or discussion by the Ministry staff.  If retaining the dam was something they were ever really open to, it strikes me as particularly odd that they wouldn't pursue every possible option that would allow us to keep the dam and the lake.  

I don't believe they were ever really interested in keeping it. In 2010, it was leaked in an Oliver newspaper article that the government was planning to decommission before the first safety review was done. Everything I've seen from the government indicates that they never wanted to keep the dam or the lake - and they've done whatever they had to, to make the facts and the story fit their agenda.  Sorry to sound cynical - but after two years of this, I guess I probably am.  

I need to correct my earlier

I need to correct my earlier post - the 2010 article that leaked the government's intention to decommission was published by Global BC, not an Oliver newspaper.  

Actually...

My recollection is that the Province newspaper broke this story then everyone and their neighbour in the media picked it up, but in any case their intentions were exposed.

And if anyone wants

And if anyone wants clarification or supporting documentation, please visit the Marshall Lake Stewardship Group on Facebook.  Every available letter, report, assessment, map and document that we have ever dug up and researched is presented for anyone to view.  We believe in providing information backed up by documentation, so that people can form their own opinions and make up their own minds about things.  

Mayor Kettle adds info on Marshall Lake

I am not sure who submitted information for the atricle on Marshall Lake/Providence but there are a few inaccurcies in it, Greenwood has no one trained to do inspections. We did say if they trained our crew we could possibly do it if it was an option but acccording to ministry it is not.

I had our CAO arrange the meeting with Steve Thomson the Minister, John Slater MLA, Mayor Nipper Kettle, Area D representative Irene Perepolkin and Barry Noll attended yesterday at the BC Legislature.

We got the update and as I had hear the cost to upgrade the dam is around $500,000.00 and the decommissioning is around $56,000.00 and could be a lot lower if the Army Corps stationed in Trail does the work. Any saving will be put back into the restoration of the landscape of the lake in Phase ll . The rock that they remove when breaching the Dam will be used to build access for the cabin owners. That is my understanding at this point.

Respectfully
Nipper Kettle